The most common areas to see mountain lions in Arizona are in places of rocky and mountainous terrain. I wanted to get your thoughts on the mystique of the mountain lion start with you Rick. John you're on the air. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. Its distinctive featurethe one that sets it apart from other North American wild catsis its tail, which is thick and often as long as its body. So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced. "Of those three to five reports,. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. Well thanks for sharing. I've seen him in the woods and that was not a bobcat but I was looking at. So Marty can you see what I'm getting at is the public sees different names and thinks that they're different animals but it's all the same animal. Give us a call if you have a question or comments or story about perhaps seeing a mountain lion here in New Hampshire. Patrick Tate: So it's interesting it's brought up. Why do people keep seeing mountain lions (which aren't here) but not 44-H Links. The second one was not only fresh but when I actually put my hand on it it was you know smelled like cat and I it's there's no denying a fresh mountain lions get if you can tell it every story that KOAT. Patrick Tate: So the individuals can say that but for an agency that's based on science and what not to to go off with no evidence and then get into that giant debate and all these other issues and put credibility at risk I don't think that would be a great path to take. 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. They absolutely do. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. Good morning guys. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting By Elysia Rodriguez Published August 11, 2015 A southern New Hampshire neighborhood believes a mountain lion is roaming the woods near their homes. Me Im willing to believe its possible that there are some out there. 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. For starters, part of the confusion might come from the fact that the eastern cougar was taken off the endangered species list earlier this year. Patrick Tate: While a juvenile not a juvenile I guess if you want nodes to the base of the tail for juvenile that wouldn't be small at all. And I think a lot of folks would like them to be around. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. Part II. Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. So what counts as verifiable evidence? How many mountain lions are in New Hampshire? - AnswersAll Early in the morning. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. Thanks for your call. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. JavaScript must be enabled for some features to display properly. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. OK. Rick van de Poll: Rick and I would add that if a mountain lion male takes up residence and successfully finds a female as pets there's gonna be a lot more evidence there will be like deer carcasses up in trees and territorial marking and claw marks and tracks and it you know dispersal is gonna be very tough to see or observed but residential parrots a totally different story. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. First off if the standard for an agency to go forward with the public and put out a press release that them outlines here their believers are going to say I told you they'd been here the whole time. 19 Caller: Absolutely. Peter Biello: We at this e-mailed comment from Michael. Thank you very much for listening. Wildlife biologist breaks down mountain lion sightings in CT | New Sam Evans-Brown: Well and I think and the last takeaway here is everyone I think probably agrees that any possible sightings that have been seen. Sam Evans-Brown has been working for New Hampshire Public Radio since 2010, when he began as a freelancer. For over 38 years the Saddleback Mountain Lions have offered people a chance to give back to their community. Peter Biello: Well I want to ask Patrick about one of these stories a few years ago you had a story about someone who claimed to. Numerous scat and fur specimens have been turned in as part of mountain lion report investigations; DNA identification has shown these submitted samples to be from domestic dog, coyote, bobcat andraccoon. Yes and you want to share what you learned. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. The trouble with accepting every reported sighting as a confirmed mountain lion is that there are so many mistaken identifications. Well Is DNA the most reliable means we have of identifying whether or not what we saw is actually a mountain lion. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. You need a permit to have that. Any sense of of whether or not mountain lions are sort of wary of more population dense areas like like the one he was describing Rick. Peter Biello: Well yeah. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. And when provoked no animal could stand before him elegantly put. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part I And so maybe before I go to you recommend I ask you Patrick Tate is the standard too high. New Hampshire Public Radio | And today we're talking about the mysterious elusive mountain line with folks who know something about it. So here in New Hampshire when a person turns in something that the Department believes is possible mountain lion and believes it should be investigated further. We'd love to have you in the queue. So one thing I'll add we're talking about natural dispensers but talking with the conservation officer in the 1980s they recall going to a residence telling a person you can live here but your mountain lion can't. That's next time on one day. Thanks also to Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England and Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in about the natural world and how we use it. It was not a bobcat. And I can recall its information but I can't confirm or verify anything. And boy it was big it had to be at least 200 pounds the thing was you and and it just made a little bit of noise and it was gone. Select image for larger view. Are there other powers that be worried that scary mountain lions will scare off people from camping in New Hampshire. Do they travel. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction. Peter Biello: Thank you for sharing that. Sam Evans-Brown: What he would have stopped as well I think is way way that the reason that mountain lion kept moving is because he wasn't finding anybody. Nicholas Handy can be reached at 924-7172 ext. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. We'll be right back. And maybe it's a no holds barred nostalgia for a better world a wild or Fuller world not a world that's constrained by our boundaries and our taxes and our highways. I have one that's more elaborate than that. The females disperse a shorter range and once they find a vacant home range they stay in that location and live there. And we want to know your stories if you have them 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 or email exchange at an HP bar dot org we'll talk about conspiracy theories when we come back. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. I just want to tell you a story that I read. No doubt in my mind it was. Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. Sam Evans-Brown: And second the evidence required is is you know pretty pretty tough to gather. So for me as a person who's had the Bobcats right off my grits similar carries sticks to a bobcat The Long Tail obviously very different but those facial markings were overlapping for me. Caller: It had just left that field and was out. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. Just. Sam Evans-Brown: Pretty well I was going to say it is nice to hear about how to identify the facial markings but probably I'd being a to identify the tracks is probably the more useful useful tool that one can have in their tool box. And it came out we could see it had and we could see its long swooping tail. support for an HBO who comes from you our listener Sam from advanced in you a local New Hampshire nonprofit specializing in college student loans and student refinancing options. Mountain Lions are a mythical creature in New Hampshire with strong feelings on both sides of the question: are there Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? We'll push great photos to the front page. Squam Lake: Home of mountain lions - Concord Monitor Mark Elbroch doesnt think so. There's a lot of photographs that you can see that it's very clearly a tabby cat that someone has thought was a mountain lion. We're going to talk a little bit more about habitat first but then we'll get into sightings. It's bigger but bigger and better world. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all. There's never, ever, ever, ever been a documented case of a black mountain lion. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. People were calling the New Hampshire Fish and Game director's office saying why are you dragging your feet on this. So. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! Thank you very much for being here. Patrick Tate: So I just got to throw a little interesting side note in this. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. Author of The last woman in the forest on Saturday July 13th at 7 p.m. at Warner town hall Warner historical dawg. The Connecticut Mountain Lion is the best documented wild Mountain Lion in New England. Yet this young male traveled about 1,800 miles. The great thing about pictures isn't the animal itself it's the background. Patrick Tate: My line being a large predator a cat watch ambush his prey animal that hasn't been. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. It all used to be based on measurable physical traits color, skull size, paw size, etc but now its based on whether an animal can be shown to be genetically distinct from others. It was really muscular looking cat I mean is that like a side angle to me. They used to roam the entire continent, but have become extinct in most US states. So you want identifiable backgrounds. Peter Biello: Hmm. Well within there. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. I saw the tail end of a literally from behind the shoulder The Long Tail mountain lion crossing the highway going from Password to often Village downtown. You know perhaps poke around where you saw it and see if you can find a track. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. And they used to be this whole list of the different subspecies of mountain lion and it has since been reduced to just to the North American and the South American. So so they're just a very resilient species and they're pretty they're pretty neat. And so. And those and that's how you can go from a story that Pat says I have nothing to say about that to a story that you know could be the first verified sighting in over 100 years. I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. I'm Peter B yellow. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. If it's someone that has an illegal captive animal that is accustomed to humans those leave a lot of evidence because they want to go around humans to find food meaning they're used to being fed by humans. You know interactions are pretty unusual. They sent it already. Patrick Tate: Yes. Give today. New Hampshire Public Radio | Sam Evans-Brown: But I mean the video I had been sent was you know a recording of a animal growling but it was in slow motion and when I asked the person why is this in slow motion the denied that it was so there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in regards to people claiming they've seen they've seen these things. Women control our lives. Want to put this to to Patrick Tate who may have heard some some info or info from listeners like you about these these these cats. From "History of New Hampshire Game and Furbearers" by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. Patrick Tate: I've from all the situations I've read and learned about wildlife. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort. Peter Biello: Oh okay. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. And I just said I saw I saw they from behind the shoulder all the way past the long tail. Today on the exchange we discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. And then just up behind it you know at about 11 o'clock on one side and whatever that would be on the other side it's black. So you know until I found those two scats I didn't think that mountain lions were here in the east. Phone number 1 800. They were able to do all that by genetics. Sam Evans-Brown: So Tim so this cat's been been referenced a couple of times I think we should talk about it specifically lay the whole story out for folks who haven't heard the story because it's actually I think really indicative of a lot of stuff for talking about. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. But Absence of Evidence Is Not Evidence of Absence, Right? They get a lot of media attention but compared to the the amount of times that a mountain lion could attack a person but doesn't because they don't typically view us as prey. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center Ive received pictures of dogs at odd angles, says Tate. It doesn't make much sense because you know mountain lions are as we as we said before. NHFG Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate identifies this cat as a bobcat. I found a second scat scent both to him. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. But the state always denies it, and none of us know why they deny it. What gets confusing is when you have a large adult animal and a smaller juvenile animal of a different species you can now step start beginning talking about overlapping body weights and sizes. The tail leave is a giveaway but not everybody gets to see the tail. So do they. This is a machine-generated transcript, and may contain errors. Peter Biello: And then it ran away okay. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all along the waykilled a beaver near the Quabbin Reservoir in Central Massachusetts, left behind prints and DNA at that site, and then was hit by a car in Connecticut. 'Like we did as kids': Horse makes snow angels with her owner in New For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. Or years or so. Peter Biello: Yeah some of what she was saying sounds like it would require getting pretty close or at least having a nice zoom lens right Sam like. I just stood there just a second and I came to a complete stop and then I ran away. Which which I think Pat and I have both experienced. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. We'd be inundated with scouts in the past when newspaper articles have been written about DNA and scouts. So I know it's another unconfirmed report but you string enough of these together. I mean that so many of them are false sightings we. You don't know what's going on. Peter Biello: There have been several alleged sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. The exchange is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio. You know one of the the biggest questions I have about that is it points to how much we don't know and if in fact we don't know enough. There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. There'd be there'd be all sorts of you know basically a lot of hassle required if that were to happen. I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. Rick your thoughts. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. Tell us your story. And it was unmistakable. No that's a little bit outside the range. There is some information that suggests that it spent a portion of its time in Massachusetts near the Claiborne reservoir. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. He played a pivotal role and he battled for recognition. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests - AP NEWS I mean they're a survivor. We're not in the woods. But are there mountain lions living in New Hampshire? We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. The current estimate is 2,000 - 2,700 throughout Arizona. So I hate the idea that there's some sort of upward you know downward pressure from the bosses saying Don't you know don't tell about the mountain lions because it'll scare away the tourists. Its closest living relative is the cheetah. Ask Sam: Why Won't New Hampshire Admit There Are Mountain Lions Here Pelosi story here we go. Do you get a lot of these these these things that end up being hoaxes. If so that's for us as an agency. Peter Biello: So Rick seems like you agree that the tail is a big giveaway whether or not it's a mountain lion Absolutely. And as the biologist who's gonna stand on this and if I'm going to say this is a proven picture I need to be able to stand on it so soundly and have the evidence so I going to go through it with a fine tooth comb kept picking pieces apart trying to answer these pieces. And so so with their limited staff and limited budget that is that is more and more limited every year because you know fewer people are buying hunting and fishing licenses. Patrick Tate: It's wow interesting that you brought this up because I've had people report I saw cardamom. Tim Yeah. BRADFORD, N.H. - All that snow in parts of the Northeast has more than just kids jumping for winter joy. But my experience was that the majority of these accounts could not be taken lightly. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. Thank you. As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. So for our scientists to do the lumping and whatnot. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. So here we have you know a very qualified biologist who who found a print took a plaster cast found a scat send it to a university. So Pat you field a lot of calls about people seeing or reportedly seeing mountain lions. DNA from scat or from fur, a clear track that is confirmed by an expert, or a photo that clearly shows a mountain lion. So that that's more or less I think why I'm here and why I got into this in nineteen ninety nine I found a what appeared to be a print of a mountain lion and that was in the Osprey mountains and I thought well OK that's that's a print. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. Tonight, Sean McDonald investigates,. Maps of Trapping Take by Town 1994 to 2004. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. We live around Cold Springs Campground and it was undeniably a mountain lion. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests - AP NEWS Rick van de Poll: Rick van de Poll so I was a non-believer as well. Theres a project called the Cougar Network that tracks verified sightings, and they are all around us: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New York and New Brunswick have all had verified sightings over the past 20 years or so.
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