The norma would cost more if I had to open the bolt face. None of this can be said for either the .338 Winchester Magnum or the .375 H&H. Ruger made a few bolt-actions some years back, and Remington made rifles in the 700 Classic line, but they are long gone. The ammunition hung on a while longer, but eventually Big Green abandoned her babies and stopped making both cartridges. Your at the old delema again: does 200 fps matter to the deer. That list, by the way, is in ascending order of power. Also, many of these hunters have the luxury of a long season close to home. Unlike either the .338 or .375, the .35 (.358-inch) has been a standard American caliber since 1900. But in 2003 Remington decided to attempt a resurrection. Is there a way to find out what year it is by serial #? The .35 Whelen is a fine elk cartridge. The bullet went in behind the near shoulder, struck the far shoulder from the inside, and the blue bull hit the ground with a thud. The Newton was supposedly loaded, by Western Cartridge, to 2,975 fps with a 250-grain bullet, but I, for one, would want to see the chronograph reading. Real world, the Norma bitchslaps brown bears and moose as convincingly as the 375H&H. However, the small bore cartridges from .24 to .32 caliber have proven quite reliable on these smaller animals, so I am not going to argue that anyone needs a .35 to hunt CXP2 class game. Back in 1983 Winchester introduced the .356 Win. Mag.They have almost identical case capacity, but the .358 Norma Mag. On June 26, 1959, Sweden's Ingemar Johansson demolished Floyd Patterson in the third round of their first heavyweight title fight in New York. I took it to Texas in 1989 and decked a nilgai at about 90 yards. That being said, with much wider availability, and the higher . Many western hunters annually take elk with 6mms and .25s. Quite a difference! That is quite a few cartridges considering that there is not a single best selling rifle cartridge in the bunch. The experimentation with the H&H cases, first by Weatherby and later by Winchester and Remington, certainly changed the way we hunted and made our purchases; magnum mania definitely took root. The .358 Norma Magnum is a rifle cartridge introduced in 1959 by Norma. Nils Kvaleone of the chief designers at Normahad experimented with a shortened .300 H&H case, necked to hold 8mm bullets, with the rim turned down to match the 8x57 rim diameter. Then come the .270s. It was verry expensive to shoot, lots of powder and expensive bullets and brass. The company made its humble start in 1963in Gussago, Italywhen Giuseppe Pietta made a commitment to produce guns as authentic and true-to-original as possible. But there is another Rigby cartridge, vastly overlooked even among rifle cranks, but which was at one time as popular as the .375 H&H Magnum: the .350 Rigby Magnum. Mag. The 25-degree, 30-minute shoulder gives plenty of room for powder, and though the neck of the .358 Norma measures less than the desired one-caliberit comes in at 0.328-inchthere is plenty of neck tension to hold the bullets in place without the need for crimping. These were, primarily, the Schultz & Larsen (Denmark), the Husqvarna (Sweden) and a few Browning High Powers made by FN in Belgium. Energy figures have it knocking at the door of 375H&H. Had the .358 Norma Magnum been chambered in an American rifle, or at least promoted by an American company, the popularity of the cartridge may have been much greater than it is. I would never argue that a .243 Winchester with a good bullet placed well, or certainly a .25-06 with a tough, heavy bullet, cant do the job. I am not into the current long-range fad, especially on powerful animals like elk. They can take their time and pick their shots. An elk is bigger than anything most deer hunters have encountered, but theres still a variance; a cow for the freezer isnt much bigger than a very large deer, but a mature bull elk is different. It shoots well and is light and easy to carry while hunting. DoubleTap loads the 180-grain Barnes TTSX bullet at 3100 fps, and the 225-grain Swift A-Frame at 3000 fps, giving options to the hunter who wants the most versatility from their big-game rifle. and .35 Rem., it was an excellent woods rifle for hunting whitetails. A medium variable in the 3-9X or 2.5-10X range should be enough scope for elk hunting. At 400 yds., the .358 Norma impacts 3.1 inches lower than the .300 Win. In 1987 Remington made an honest cartridge out of the .35 Whelen. The Remington Model 673 Guide Rifle was chambered in .350 Rem. The .358 Norma established its reputation in high-end hunting rifles like this Schultz & Larsen Model 65DL. Most Professional Hunters agree that a bullet with a S.D. This stumpy little cartridge was introduced to the hunting public in 1908 and is the only surviving member of the early class of Remington rimless cartridges. Where does the .358 Norma sit, in comparison to the more popular cartridges in its class? This is in sharp contrast to the overwhelming success of the .357/9mm handgun cartridges, whose popularity dates right to the beginning of the self-contained cartridge era. The .338-inch fans cite the advantage of the higher sectional density figures, while the .358-inch camp favors the better frontal diameter of the larger bore. For example, take the most powerful of the factory standardized .35's, the .358 Norma Magnum. In the entry on the .358 Norma, it maintains that, had Norma convinced a major American riflemaker to offer the chambering in the early years, it could have become one of the greats. Folks who live in elk country may consciously seek a cow for the freezer. 358 norma mag is a rarer bird but as I understand fire forming 300 win mag brass an easy way to feed it. Mag. The 35 whelen and 358 winchester were the two I was torn between. With the best loads, my Remington Model 700 is one-hole accurate. Read today's "The Armed Citizen" entry for real stories of law-abiding citizens, past and present, who used their firearms to save lives. It can be the ballistic equivalent of the .30-06 with a 180-grain bullet or, pushed the other way, it can easily match the velocity of the .300 Weatherby Magnum with the same weight bullet. I think it would be cheeper to get another action or a magnum bolt. The .358 Norma established its reputation in high-end hunting rifles like this Schultz & Larsen Model 65DL. There are places where .22 centerfires are legal for elk. It is capable of driving a. The .35 Rem. It put an exclamation point on that lung shot. I have shot a few critters, including a tough South Texas Nilgai, and have been happy with the performance. This standard (.30-06) length magnum cartridge drives a 250 grain bullet at a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2799 fps with 4350 ft. lbs. This is because it was discontinued in the mid-1970s, and reintroduced by Remington in 2003. was initially chambered in Remingtons Model 8 autoloader, soon followed by the Model 14 pump-action. The first time I ever hunted with a .358 Norma Magnum, it was a custom rifle built on a Mauser Mark X action. I was wrong. and is probably a better deer and black bear cartridge at woods ranges than the more popular .30-30 Win. In cartridges, as in boxing, what goes on behind the scenes often determines the outcome. Perhaps thats why it has survived. So are the .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. As many hunters know, the Remington Model 600 carbine, which was introduced in 1964, was one of the first short, light, bolt-action rifles to find success with deer hunters. The cartridge predates the more famous .416 by three years, and the .350 Rigby was the first to feature the sharp 45-degree shoulder which is the hallmark of the Rigby designs. So while some of my rifle choices may have been oddball, none of the rifles Ive used for elk have been exactly wrong. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. In an age of ultra-specializatio in every field, and especially rifles, such versatility is almost an anachronism. The .358 in a bolt-action rifle with a good scope is as accurate as any hunting cartridge available. Perhaps, if the word gets out to the shooting public, the born again .350 may finally achieve the commercial success it deserves. The .35 (.358) caliber has never really gotten a serious toehold here, although the occasional item like the .35 Whelen, .350 Remington Magnum, or .358 Winchester roils the waters every now and again. It will work in this action with ease and will be plenty cheap to feed and use if one simply sizes up 338 brass and goes along thier happy way. The recent introduction of a Hornady LeverEvolution factory load for the .35 Remington has usefully improved its ballistics. This load uses a 200 grain Flex-Tip spitzer bullet and delivers a MV of 2225 fps and ME of 2198 ft. lbs. The only rifles I can find in production are from Nosler, Remington and CVA. A monster buck is different from a fork-horn or a fat doe. Quite honestly, the .350 Rigby isnt a cartridge Id describe as practical, but if you are looking for something quite left of center, this may be for you. I don't hunt Kodiac island nor elephants so utilizing the 06 case to build an elk rifle, lower 48 grizzly country rifle works for me. That load actually produced 2825 f.p.s. The guide professed to be dumbstruck: I never saw a nilgai knocked down like that, he said, And we use some big rifles here!. Actual weight depends on subspecies, nutrition, and age, but 600 pounds is a good starting point for grownup bulls and twice the size of an unusually large deer. Honestly, Ive taken as many elk with the .30-06 as with any other cartridge, and the farthest at 350 yards was no problem. Customer experience was, and still is, the primary focus, a key to the firms longevity and success. The .356 Win. Its often thought that if they had it would have gained popularity over the .338 Win. I had the privilege of spending some time with a 1917 vintage take-down Rigby-Mauser rifle while on a hunt in Scotland, and the words sweet shooting came quickly to mind. The parent of this cartridge is the .30-06 Springfield, which is necked-up to accept a bullet diameter of .358 in (9.1 mm).This cartridge is more powerful than its parent, especially in killing power on large game. The .35-caliber cartridges usually top out at 250 grains, though if a 300-grain bullet at a slightly faster twist rate were employed, it would certainly be in the same class as the .375 Holland & Holland. Back in the late 70's I picked up a custom 1903 in 358 Norma Mag, awesome rifle, very accurate and it put a thump on deer, I bought it hopping to get a moose tag back in MN, never did and sold the rifle. has been offered in just about every rifle action type ever conceived and a few handguns. I wont be ashamed to take it elk hunting, but today Im certain that level of power is not essential. Also, after a few dozen elk hunts, Ive seen many taken effectively with lighter cartridges. While most of the .35 caliber rifle cartridges are powerful medium bore numbers designed for use on large (CXP3) game like elk and moose, the most popular .35 caliber rifle cartridge is the .35 Remington. Not so the .358 Norma. 35 Whelen. The 338/06 when compared to the .35 Whelen only beats it with the lighter bullets and not by much. The .318 Westley Richards was a highly popular choice at that time, and it drives a 250-grain bullet of .330-inch diameter, with a SD of 0.328, and the .375 Holland & Holland uses a 300-grain bullet of nominal diameter with a SD of 0.305; both are renowned for their penetration. Compare the .308 Winchester and the .358 Winchester, which are based on the same case, and the .358 wins hands down. Gun guys recognize the potential in the .358. Avoid quick-opening bullets, especially match bullets; instead, choose controlled-expansion designs intended for hunting larger game. However, should a hunter who enjoys using cartridges that arent among the most popular find a rifle chambered for the .358 Norma Magnum? Mag. This wonderful efficiency of the .35 calibers is especially remarkable when one considers that most all of these rounds are verging on obsolescence today. Follow along to see exactly how. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is at the Streamlight booth at SHOT Show 2023 to go over the Bear Trap light from Streamlight. It also notes that the reconstituted Schultz & Larsen company is offering the chambering in its Model 97 takedown rifle. In a letter written to friend Townsend Whelen during early 1920s, Leslie Simpson-- one of the first Americans to become a professional hunter in Africa--opined that the hunting world needed a .35 caliber cartridge . The .357 Magnum is ideal for light game like javelina and will do for the smaller species of deer and antelope at short range. .500 Nitro Express. Original Schultz & Larsens had substantial freebore to keep pressures down, and Normas specifications for the cartridge called for it. Both calibers share the same dimensions of the case head as the .300 H&H Magnum, but have far less body taper, resulting in the same internal capacity in a shorter case. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. The origins of the .35 Whelen are controversial even today. Mag. . Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. For the one perfect all-around elk rifle, Im not sure you can beat the good old .30-06. The trouble is, they didnt sell. Remington loads a 200-grain PSP Core-Lokt bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2775 f.p.s. I have used the .35 Whelen on critters from bobcats to moose. factory load is a 250-grain Oryx bullet listed with a muzzle velocity of 2723 f.p.s. Why the public abandoned it so quickly is a mystery to me. He never questioned the adequacy of his .270 for elk, nor do I, but he was also a lifelong .30-06 fan and privately conceded its superiority for elk-sized game. The 6.5mm Creedmoor and the old 6.5x55 are sound minimal choices, adequate to 300 yards. Hunting Shack 35WHELEN1N Game King 35 Whelen 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. Too bad Ingemar Johansson was not so well equipped. As a comparison, the .358 Winchester with a 250 grain bullet at 2300 fps delivers 25.4 foot-pounds of recoil from a 7.5 pound rifle. That load actually produced 2825 f.p.s. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. So we see that even with a one pound lighter rifle, the .358 recoils slightly less than a .300 magnum. There are specialized situations where close shots are the norm, but most often, the ideal elk rifle should have enough versatility for shots out to 300 yards and change. Thier wouldn't be any action mods required to do the Whelen,just rebarrel and enjoy. The .35 Whelen has a relatively simple design: it's a .30-06 Springfield case necked up to use .358 instead of .308 bullets (the exact opposite of the .270 Winchester in other words). There werent many factory .358 Norma Magnum rifles mademost were Husqvarnas or Schultz & Larsensbut many American gunsmiths converted the Mauser 98, Springfield 03-A3 and the like to the big .35, as it made an absolutely perfect choice for those headed north to Alaska. and .358 Norma Mag.). Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. is a wonderful cartridge, but nobody buys them. Copyright 2003, 2012 by Chuck Hawks. Everybody agrees that the .358 Win. Mag. Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. And Barnes makes a 200-grain TSX bullet designed for this cartridge that, when handloaded to 2850 f.p.s., allows the .350 Rem. Essentially a .338 Magnum with a bigger mouth, the .358 Norma can push 250-grain bullets faster. As well, most bullet manufacturers produce soft, 200-grain roundnosed bullets intended for the .35 Remington, and these fit a wide range of uses. Hunting Shack 358NORMA2N Game King 358 Norma 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. R Rocky into the deer woods, and I pine for what could have been. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. The .357 Magnum revolver cartridge has also gained considerable popularity as a combination rifle/pistol cartridge and lever action rifles for the .357 Magnum sell pretty well. The .308 Winchester is a fine elk cartridge, and the grand old .30-06, with a bit more velocity and energy, is better. Let's also compare the .358 with the other end of the spectrum. Thought about that 375 Ruger but nah. compare 338/06 vs 338 win, and 35 whelen vs 358 norma vs 358 alaskan (stw) loaded to same pressure. The big case certainly made its reputation with the 250-grain bullets, as their sectional density gives excellent penetration on even the heavy-boned animals, and the .358 Norma can push them to a muzzle velocity of 2750 fps. Federal loads the 225-grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet with a muzzle velocity of 2600 f.p.s. The .350 Magnum has a case length of 2.742 inches, and an overall cartridge length 3.44 inches, so it will feel at home in a magnum-length receiver. From the Green Goblin (a bolt-action rifle I built on a Remington action), both will produce groups that are sub-minute-of-angle. This is basically a deer and black bear (CXP2 class game) cartridge, although it is reputed to be superior to cartridges in the .30-30 class for game weighing over about 400 pounds. Your rifle is your most important hunting tool, and knowing how to properly clean and store it when hunting season comes to a close is critical in keeping it in tip-top shape. The .300 Rem. It did shine with 148gr Double ended wadcutters over a few grains of 700x shooting clover leaf groups at 50 yards, I used it all fall putting squirrels in the pot. I could get brass easy from each by forming parent cases, 308 and 30-06. In the mid 70's I picked up a 358Norma. The company has chambered several rifles in the cartridge including models in bolt-action, pump-action and semi-automatic. Posts: 46,063. If the .350 Rigby Magnum was effective in the golden era of safari, modern premium bullet designs will make it even better. This is comparable killing power to the long .375 H&H Magnum with a 300 grain bullet (ME 4331 ft. The .350 Rigby Magnum is, in the words of veteran Professional Hunter Robin Hurt, a perfect caliber to hunt lion and leopard. With a few exceptions, most African countries require a minimum of .375-caliber cartridges for thick-skinned dangerous game like Cape buffalo and elephant, and that makes sense in most instances. Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. The 600 Magnum suffered from a barrel that was too short at 18 inches. Mag.-all with a bigger, heavier bullet that will punch a bigger hole and penetrate deeper. From the .35 Winchester (1903), .35 Remington (1906) and .351 Winchester Self-Loading (1907) to the later .358 Winchester (1955) and .350 Remington Magnum (1965), there has always been at least one .35-caliber cartridge in use. Out of stock View Details . Ive seen many elk taken cleanly with a .270 Winchester, and my own longest shot on an elk was on a big New Mexico bull at 400 yards using a .270 Winchester with a 150-grain Nosler Partitionone step and down. In its 112-year lineage, it has probably taken more elk than all other cartridges combined. Choose at least medium weight for caliber: 140 grains in 6.5mm and the lighter 7mms; 140 and 150 grains in .270s; 150 to 160 grains in faster 7mms; 165 or 180 grains in .30 calibers. Twenty years ago, I might have said .338 Winchester Magnum was the perfect choice for elk. The .35 Rem. As it stands, it is most certainly on the edge of becoming obsolete. Winchester and Hornady both offer 200-grain loads at 2475 f.p.s. Clearly, for the hunter seeking heavy game and willing to accept this level of recoil, the .358 Norma Magnum deserves far more popularity than it has received. and .32 Rem. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? Tried and true. loaded with a 180-grain Oryx bullet to the .358 Norma Mag. 358 Norma runs 250gr partitions at 2810 with Norma 204 powder. In fact, the recoil of the .358 Norma Magnum, at about 35 ft. lbs. Mag. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. Kevin Steele from Petersen's HUNTING speaks to Jordan Egli of Burris Optics about the all-new Veracity PH Riflescope. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. Frankly, I would not want to be without them. For more specialized uses, Speer makes a 180-grain flatpoint (semispitzer)that, with reduced loads, turns the .358 Norma Magnum into a pussycat for recoil but is easily capable of handling game such as black bears and white-tailed deer out to 250 yards or so. necked up to .35 caliber. As it was released in the first century of the . You bet they worked! I have a .356 Win. With such a variety of bullets, you would think the skys the limit in terms of different loads, but there are other factors to consider. The .350 Remington Magnum is the only cartridge that appears on both lists of current and obsolete calibers. Compare practically any small bore cartridge (.32 caliber or less) with a .35 caliber cartridge of similar powder capacity and the result is pretty much the same. was designed for the American market, but sadly no American riflemaker ever chambered the cartridge in a cataloged gun. Oklahoma. Although such weight is rare, a big bull can exceed 1,000 pounds. Powders such as IMRs Trail Boss, Accurates 5744 and IMRs discontinued SR-4759 all work with lighter bullets, and sometimes accuracy is very good, even if the gas seal is not. If the .35 Rem. The .35 Whelen is a necked up medium bore wildcat cartridge that was created by necking up a .30-06 Springfield case which is famously overpowered for the 30-caliber bullet it propels. And with modern powders and loads, it knocks on the door of the .300 WSM and .300 Winchester Magnum. Recoil was completely manageable, and it inspired me to begin the journey of having my own .350 Rigby rifle built. The .358 has 24 percent more energy at the muzzle than the .300 Win. Here in North America big game starts with deer. Loved by gun guys and rejected by the huddled masses, this is perhaps the most underappreciated cartridge of them all. Kevin Steele, Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING talks with JJ Reich of HEVI-Shot about the new offerings for 2023. and the 6.5 mm Rem. By Layne Simpson. Boltface would have to be altered for the Norma. I say that because so many reasonably successful yet hard kicking cartridges have been introduced in the last few years. Of them all the one I still have is the 9,3X62. My .375 H&H seemed quite adequate. Sierras 225-grain spitzer boat-tail, designed for the .35 Whelen, is a stellar performer in the .358 Norma. 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