Hi there what would you expect to pay for a aluminium handled no 3 sword with some blade staining/surface rust and a dentless scabbard with some surface rust? The brown paint on the hilt has mostly worn away, as it did not really stick well to the aluminum. antique or of recent vintage. Mission Ready, Qualified & Competent, On Time Execution! What a bunch of junk. Japanese swords will have a visible grain in the steel of the blade. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Etchings. I need attribution not for sale, but for museum exhibit. Be sure to read Reproductions and Fakes. Guaranteed authentic: A WW2 Type 95 Japanese army NCO's sword, Kokura arsenal stamp. You can't sell weapons on ebay.de it is forbidden and ebay close your account. Dan. The Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword is one of the most reproduced / faked swords in the world, be warned. Bone tanto and swords (see below) fall into this group. Swords with carved bone handles and scabbards are A number of opinions have been provided, some with hints of the issues. at the best online prices at eBay! There are stories that the small papers between the handle wrap (ito) and Used. This one really annoys me. There should be no characters etched on the blade, just a serial number. of forging the blade using multiple folds,etc. Examine the hamon with a magnifying glass. A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. Out of stock. Eligible for all payments - Visa, Mastercard, Discover, AMEX, Paypal, Amazon & Sezzle. Ivory has a distinctive grain. On newer swords the file marks on the tang will be sharp and crisp. NCO Katanas were issued to soldiers who did not want to take their family sword to battle or who came from poor families that did not have swords to pass down through the generations. All Rights Reserved. Complete with metal locking spring tab that secures the blade to the scabbard. Something went wrong. It's a reissued one like one in Fuller & Gregory's book. It is Type 95 with an aluminum tsuka. October 27, 2017 in Military Swords of Japan. As we have a grater passion for and preservation in mind rather then profits as a dealer does. 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Essentially, the blade has the Nagoya factory stamp next to the serial number however the Fuchi appears to only have one stamping . However, just because the blade is steel does not mean it is a genuine Japanese sword as many modern replicas are made with steel blades. There are so many. WWII JAPANESE TYPE 98 ARMY SHIN-GUNTO SWORD!!! Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. They sell it for 165 EUR everywhere. can be. WW II Not just Gunto but Napoleonic ,K98 bayonets you name itSo look out in the future! 20062021 Nihonto Message Board In very good condition, an early WW2 1935M (Type 95) Japanese The scabbards and hilts are usually designed to resemble bamboo or old wood sticks. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for WW2 Type 30 Arisaka Japanese Bayonet Scabbard Straight Quillon Imperial Army No. So if they put their mind to it, an NCO sword should be no problem to reproduce. (NOTE: Some swords may have two mekugi - one near the guard and the other near the end of the hilt. Showing an average amount of wear throughout, this Japanese Type 95 NCO Shin-Gunto is a beautiful example throughout. Have a 3rd pattern nco Tokyo First Army Arsenal inspection mark "To" stamping serial number 141882 and wanted to know a possible year dating on that number range cheers Phil Quote Name: Stu W Posted March 7, 2014 Hi Phil, Your email address will not be published. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. & valuations. If you cannot see this grain or do not know what to look for, assume it is carved bone, not ivory. Authorized for production in 1935, the Type 95, commonly referred to as the NCO sword was all-machine made unlike the more expensive and higher-quality Officers sword. 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I recently took the plunge and made my first Japanese sword purchase. The hilt is complete with a functional metal locking spring tab that secures the blade to the scabbard. There is a suspicion that this is a fake. Slowly improving. There should be no characters etched on the blade, just a serial number. Clear editor. Hi all,while I'm sure our members know how to pick a fake NCO, I wanted to share these.http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=277http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=276&zenid=qot0424cgushvekob07rapkkq2The really disappointing part is that I informed the site owner about the first sword and provided a comprehensive list of indicators the sword is not genuine. This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. The scabbards and hilts are usually designed to resemble bamboo Shamsy The grip wrapping and menuki are cast-formed. Blade is 26.5 inches long, with an overall length of 36.5 inches. This is due to the method A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. once told the facts they simply try and sell it on at the same price they paid, to avoid a loss of money instead of learning from there mistakes. I searched into the rest of the Japanese items on the site. This is a blatant fake, which you should keep well away from. The above items are only a general guide. For definitions of terms, check the visual glossary page. A real one would also be fine, but is too expensive for me. It now takes an expert to tell the difference between a Chinese $25 copy ROLEX and the real deal, right down to the automatic movement. will show tiny dots/specks (nioi and/or nie) along and between the border of the hamon and the rest of the blade. There are genuine collectors throughout China too. The sad part is someone probably will buy one of them too. June 23, 2016. like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. were signed simply as a way of giving more prestige to the sword even though it was machine made. They don't need to read the NMB daily to see if there are any tips. The great majority of these swords are made of carved bone, not ivory. Please see our. Murasame Katana L6 Steel Hand Forged Steel. system works well. Overall a very nice condition WW2 Type 95 NCO Katana that will appreciate in value over the coming years. I don't want to help them any more than necessary. I probably say this way too much BUT to flog a dead horse, the NCOs have a ton of small variations between subcontractors and between batches themselves, so just something to keep in mind. Yeah I guess Japanese military swords don't get much attention from the well known names. The Americans destroyed a large number of swords by dumping them into the ocean or by melting them. Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) defines antique firearms as all guns manufactured prior to 1899. Free shipping. Your previous content has been restored. This example has a matching serial number 93225 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. By the way, the MILLIONS of copy ROLEXS have not slowed the demand for the real thing, or stopped prices rising. Here is my last IJA type 95 copper handle nco sword the I own. Hi I'm a newly signed up member of the site. There is no historical documentation that ninja used swords which were of a special design or differed from those used by other Japanese of the period. Have always thought the comments about not tipping off the forgers are just plain silly.I still do.The image of some rough factory in China where they are turning these outand some guy on a computer somewhere shouting out in Chinese into the factory "Hey guys! The Americans destroyed a large number of swords by dumping them into the ocean or by melting them. Wayne i would have called bad on it, think F&G early book had balls that big, remember two diff stacked ball stamp, or not, memory, lol, i jest. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. The blade is quite bright and, while there are some scratches and spots, there are no cracks, chips, or rust. I have NO idea what that belt hanger is supposed to be. Posted October 27, 2017 doing. in WW II military mounts. real, good condition, price is abit high. Required fields are marked *. The serial number looks very short by the size of the painted over area - maybe too short. Here is another example that's not too bad, but the bohi, stamps (these are most obvious parts) and other details are off. The matching serial numbers indicate the sword was taken off the Japanese soldier, not an end of war mass surrender item (swords and scabbards were frequently . Sword canes (Shikomi-zue) mostly have very low grade blades. NCO copper tsuka (handle) that is actually painted on top of the handle, I have not seen that before. I use it to post different and new varieties of fake 95s. 4x 3 Inch Rubber Casters Heavy Duty Safety Brake Wheels For Wire Shelving Rack, Lenovo IdeaPad 3 14" FHD Laptop Intel Core i7-1165G7 8GB RAM 512GB SSD, Chrome Mirror Vinyl Film Wrap Sticker Decal Stretchable Reflective Super Gloss, DEWALT DCCS620B 20V MAX Cordless Li-Ion 12 in. These items are of lonely panet. the mounts can be interesting with hidden, spring loaded, pop out guards. For more recent exchange rates, please use the. The biggest giveaway are the stamps. There are strategies in place with most countries Customs and Border protection to seize and destroy fake watches, handbags, CD's DVD's etc, but swords are not even on the RADAR. There are old sword blades which have no visible grain (muji hada); however, the presence of grain does So many repros use Phillips or combination screws, especially on the saya. the Japanese soldier, not an end of war mass surrender item (swords Something changed in the last 6 months. The saya Serial number placement. But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. No single indicator alone will determine whether a sword blade is an Scabbard in very nice condition. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Modern replicas may look like antique swords; be it a tachi, katana, wakizashi or tanto. National Guard Marksmanship Training Center. World War 2 Historian, Relic Hunter and expert in identification of WW2 relics. Imperial Japanese Army (IJA) Type 95 NCO Shin Gunto. on a single criteria. Contact one of them for assistance. I agree. Grain does not determine age. In my searches, I've compiled a list of things that (usually Chinese) reproductions get wrong. View cart for details. The scabbard is painted the correct green color, and the spacing from the top to the hanging ring is the correct 3 inches. The members here in the board who collect these swords are taking a very good investment for the future. Anyway, if ok, can I post some pictures to get your expert opinion on my purchase? You can post now and register later. I sent the seller a message. the rayskin (same') are prayer papers to protect the soldier in battle. The original thread is gone and buried somewhere and this, Saw these photos of a fake Type 95. sword clubs in many cities. The painted handle and scabbard color look very nice, even though there were still some parts not correct compared to the real one, but it will fool a lot of people. Original Item: Only One Available. original copper coloured paint and is in very good shape. If the peg (mekugi) or screw holding the handle (tsuka) onto the blade can be removed and the handle safely removed (use care not to damage the handle or blade - the complete handle should slide off the end of the tang), examination of the tang (nakago) can tell much about the age of the blade. No habaki. The scabbard exhibits about 70% of its original olive brown. Also, they definitely like those brass tsukas, don't they! I have been asked this many times at shows, from dealers and buyers. WWII Japanese Army Type 95 Tokyo Arsenal NCO Shin-Gunto Sword $ 895.00 A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. Then the horror is the "Ko" stamp! It is terrible. There is not much more complicated (and valuable) as ROLEX watches. I offered to send photos or provide opinions from experienced collector's. . There are numerous varieties of items made in the 20th Century as For questions or accessibility help - please call (908) 903-1200. from China By placing an order, the buyer represents that he/she is in compliance with the law and will utilize the items in a lawful manner. This product is available for international shipping. As with most Axis arms, late war versions of the Type 95 (with wooden tsuba) and are poorly constructed in comparison to those that preceded them in the development line but as a quirk of fate are often more collectible. Be the first to know of our latest discoveries and exclusive offers. Overall a very nice condition WW2 Type 95 NCO Katana that will appreciate in value over the coming years. DO NOT UNWRAP THE HANDLE! Blade length approximately 27 1/2 inches . Sometimes they just forget this part. Upload or insert images from URL. I'll be an optimist Did he say to use as the basis for copies? WW II era machine made swords have an etched temper line, not a true temper line (hamon) made / scabbard has quite a bit of its original war time browning and This looks good from a distance, but up close the details reveal the fake. I'm not trying to be rude, but we don't know you and your authenticity in your posted reasons to be here. WW II era swords will show prominent grain (hada). You may severely injure yourself and/or damage the sword. This claims to be made by Suya Shoten, but their standards and quality control were much higher than this. The hilt paint is only about 30%, but still shows much of the yellow accent paint. About 80,000 of the Ko sabers were produced between 1899 and 1936, with the lowest reported serial number being 1175 and the highest one being 83390. Well am hoping mine is genuine - also just realised I should've actually started my own thread - apologies, Great lets see what you got, in your own post lol. The saya/scabbard number should be on the top of the scabbard, where it's covered when the sword is sheathed. The best place to look is at the serial Numbers. NCOs will progress into the minefield of German militaria in the next couple of decades. This is pure fiction. No habaki. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. All Images and Text Copyright 2003-2023 International Military Antiques Inc. All Rights Reserved. If the swords are getting this good I think that's not a good idea. I'm not an expert on Japanese swords, so I'll be glad with the maximum information on this Type 95. Never use force to remove the handle.) Sometimes they just forget this part. Description. Hope he listens. IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. Where should I look for records or production date/serial number guides? The serial number, 31278, and arsenal stamp are marked above the bohi (fuller). Powered by Invision Community, Sword Shows, Events, Community News and Legislation Issues, Military Swords of Imperial Japan - Ohmura San, Nihonto-Japanese Swords as Art - John Eliyas, The Token Society of GB - Scotland Branch, Nanka Token Kai - Southern California Japanese Sword Society, Japanese Sword Society of the United States, The Society for the Promotion of Japanese Sword Culture (NBSK), The Japanese Sword Society of the United States, Nederlandse Tken Vereniging - Netherlands, San Francisco Nipponto Society *caution, http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=277, http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=276&zenid=qot0424cgushvekob07rapkkq2. Your link has been automatically embedded. I ask you to help in determining the authenticity of the sword. $159.50. Yes, those are strangely too perfect and not a recognized font. good condition, a few small patina streaks, nothing much, and firm Scabbard retains around 70% of the original paint. The process of tsuka-maki (handle wrapping) is quite complicated. is just ridiculous.They HAVE genuine ones to copy. As originally produced the saber included a leather finger loop inside of the guard, which was riveted to the basket guard. Vice versa, antique blades are occassionally found The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. Referencing Carlo's post from last year, I also used to collect some German (for MANY years) and was quite confident in my ability to spot fakes, but I admit the quality is now off the charts (especially helmets) and it forced me totally out of that hobby. Gun magazine laws, concealed weapons laws, laws governing new made display guns, airsoft guns, blank fire guns, and other items vary greatly by nation, state and locality. You cannot paste images directly. As the tang rusts and ages, these become progressively smoother and less distinct. The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. Everything for sale on ima-usa.com is completely legal to own, trade, transport and sell within the United States of America. is signed, that it must be hand made. It is said that during battle soldiers would not use the ring but rather would stick the sword through the belt the same way as the Samurai in ancient times. Clear editor. Typical WWII Imperial Japanese Army style fittings, with a single suspension ring from the scabbard, known as the "New Military Sword" ( - shin guntou) style. Legal Notice - International Military Antiques, Inc observes all Federal, State and local laws. no interest to Japanese sword collectors. As I said in the other NCO topic. Arsenal stamps do not appear on pre-1930's blades. There are some very knowledgeable and experienced folk here and you can trust their deduction. The real tsukas have crisp detail, and the fakes always seem not-crisp. Bruce has politely written exactly what my reply would have been. Amounts shown in italicized text are for items listed in currency other than U.S. dollars and are approximate conversions to U.S. dollars based upon Bloomberg's conversion rates. I have been asked this many times at shows, from dealers and buyers. I can't get over the prices on these nowadays.. crazy, https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-WWII-Japanese-NCO-OFFICERS-SWORD-WITH-MATCHING-NUMBERS/253234351978?hash=item3af5f18f6a:g:wxsAAOSwAHtZ94Dm. (too more then I would pay but I'm grinch, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/WW2-Japanese-Type-95-NCO-Sword/222687760837?hash=item33d93991c5:g:KZAAAOSwIJlZ6-vP, another version, price is abit high but a honest piece, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Original-WW2-Japanese-Shin-Gunto-NCO-Samurai-Sword-extremely-rare-variation-3/332424959489?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D48795%26meid%3D4f20fff958304da4af55f1ba88fb7e90%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D222687760837&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851. Make the gap between the arsenal marks less! a good first indicator. Given the large jump in value that NCO swords have experienced in the last few years and given how relatively easy it is to copy something that is cast and milled without a lot of hand work involved, I think it is only a matter of time, and not much time at that, before the fakes are indistinguishable from the real thing. But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. I have been searching for years for a good reproduction of a Japanese Shin-gunto NCO sword. Do not undertake to dis-assemble a sword unless you know what you are Also, the tang on this is full length, with two holes. The copper ferrule has three stamps . Matching serial numbers 31123. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. And even if your intentions are completely legitimate, the "bad guys" are still out there and could read this post. Cheers to Dan for bringing it to my attention. Because it's really quite a nice repro, thought I'd better share it here as for reference. This page was last updated: 04-Mar 05:55. The fuchi collar at the base of the grip bears three stamped marks, these being the marks of the Iijima Copany, the group that manufactured the blade within the Tokyo Arsenal; the inspection stamp of the Imperial Army unit within the Tokyo arsenal that inspected the sword; and the Tokyo Arsenal identification stamp. WW2 Imperial Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword, sold In good condition and with matching sword vs scabbard serial numbers, this is a 100% guaranteed authentic WW2 Imperial Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword / katana. Many will have some type of engraving, usually floral, on the blade. Most soldiers and citizens surrendered their swords to the American occupying forces. When ANY doubt exists as to the authenticity or Serial number placement. Unfortunately have to agree with Brian, as prices move upwards, the copies will inevitably get better. . The first question to be answered - is it a real sword or a modern replica or an Free shipping for many products! in the hilt. Japanese WWII Type 95 NCO Sword. However, it is ultimately the responsibility of the buyer to be in compliance of laws that govern their specific location. China has a rising group of wealthy individuals who are buying up cars, gold, realeatate, antiques and art at an alarming rate. Here is my last IJA type 95 copper handle nco sword the I own. Etchings. You can post now and register later. Even non-mechanical artsy-fartsy stuff. Here are the expected photos of the serial numbers. The blades are very straight and thin and often have significant flaws. Fakes never get it right. Collectible Japanese Katanas, Japanese WWII Swords, Japanese Straight Razor, Japanese Tea Cup; Additional site navigation. NCO's sword, Kokura arsenal stamp. Also many Chinese military swords are confused with Japanese swords. The fuller on a real T95 goes almost to the habaki (collar), the brass part around the blade just above the tsuba/guard. Steves last post real or copy? The prices go higher and higher and they will copy better and better to take part on this.
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