Contact Elizabeth Murray at 651-4835 or emurray@freepressmedia.com. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Patricia Prue's lawyer Brian Marsicovetere told the court on Friday that his client was "severely mentally ill," and that the case should be used as an example for why the state should focus on developing a strong mental health system. According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. According to the autopsy report, Patricias husband, Jerome Scott, had only a few months to live because of a health problem involving a bloodless liver and pancreatic fibrosis. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Have you read the book? Yassein and Islam Said later helped hide Yaser Said in a home in Justin. Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. She is a tough one, Sheriff Gerald Hege would later tell the Morning Call in a June 29, 1997 interview. 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She believed she was chosen as one of Gods 144,000 bond servants on earth, and gave up all her other hobbies, such as dancing, to devote her life to spreading the word of God. She was also accused of breaking into barns, stealing horses, and underfeeding the ones she owned. Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions. Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? One lengthy sentence which goes on and on and concludes with one of my sentences from a previous comment! Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club. All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. That did amuse me I have to say, but youre way off target there Im more than happy with my state of mind before and after reading any of these comments. "I hope somebody gets their hands on you and hurt you and do everything you ever did to anybody. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. The woman who was showing the home alleged that Patricia was involved in the theft. If you subscribe to Hulu and upgrade to Starz (theres a free one-week trial offer), you can stream the Wrong Man episodes about Patricia Rorrer. At one point, Owens looked directly at Said and reminded him of all of the abuse they endured, allegedly having a knife pulled on her. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. Its nine minutes into the video. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? Perhaps that would lessen your fright. Its never been made clear. I had never been in jail before and I wasnt allowed to go outside. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. Tragedy also touched Patricias life. She was wrongfully convicted.. Feb 7, 2017 Patricia A. Giddings, seated beside Keeseville-based attorney Jacob Painter in Clinton County Court on Tuesday, spoke only to affirm she understood the proceedings. Joann was fun, likable, beautiful, always happy, said her sister-in-law Cindy Wiard. There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. Patricia Kopta appears in two photos, spaced some 31 years apart, after being discovered alive in Puerto Rico after being declared dead. Soon after, Kopta lost her job because she was seeing things and her behavior was disruptive, and then she began to walk the streets to spread her message. Said Men who murder are conventional, women are sensational, posits the Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Network. Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. How would an intruder find it? Patricia Giddings pleads not guilty "You knew how the abduction would end," Bent said. in emerging media and communication from the University of Texas at Dallas and an M.S. The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. Ironically its you who is basing your view on second-hand information, as you were not in court. Patty Hearst That poor child and that poor woman. They would have no reason to protect Andrew and lie on her. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. Interesting points thanks for writing in (and, yikes, those poor deer that starve to death). After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. Thats all for this post. How do you explain the authorities finding .22mm shell casings at her home during the search warrant. I didnt believe it. You murdered your girls," she said. So where they alive somewhere, and if so how could of Patricia, who was questioned, with not one mark on her kill them? The 5-foot-9-inch-tall Patricia was physically strong, no match for 5-foot-4-inch Joann. She asked to speak with Andrew, who was home during the call; Joann refused. Patricia Owens, She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. Patricia was relieved when police took him for custody after 12 years of her daughter's murder. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? Whether or not one believes said person has a motive, did investigators have an actual factual case or not? Proven in court and sentence awarded!!! Yaser Said was arrested Aug. 26 after authorities searched the Justin home. Oklahoma Incest Case: Mom Married Kids - Peoplemag This time, not surprisingly, the FBI did achieve a match. And she will have to answer eventually. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. After researching this case more thoroughly, I stand corrected about the time it took the jury to return a verdict. Police couldnt determine whether the baby died of exposure or suffocation. Media galore. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. Dance defense. Judges may have the discretion to reduce a felony in a wobbler case to a misdemeanor. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. We lived close to one another. No way they laid there for 4 months!!!! In April 1995, the family buried Joann and Alex in a single bronze casket after a funeral mass at a Bethlehem church. The Dallas County jury returned a guilty verdict on Tuesday following about three hours of deliberations at the end of the six-day trial. Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. There was widespread speculation that the sisters were shot in an honor killing a practice in some cultures in which men kill female relatives who are thought to have brought shame upon their families. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. I dont think so. All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. So would judge and jury say. Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. Im a hunter and in the spring I have found many dead deer that died from starvation or other reasons and the bodies are untouched. She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. Is Dallas becoming unaffordable due to rising housing costs, inflation and stagnating pay? I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? You people are fighting a losing cause! Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. The story of Patricia - The Vivid Faces of the Vanished | Facebook Not gender neutral. Check out ALL the facts if you feel the need to comment. Ive followed and made a study of this case for more than twenty years and have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. Patricia Just one example. Beautifully said Cliff! But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. Patricia Its barely visible in the picture. ST. JOHNSBURY A three-year nightmare for the loved ones of Melissa Jenkins is one step closer to ending. You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. He was happy. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. While Patricia does not qualify for medical parole, she can still file for executive clemency or compassionate release, which she has already done and which was met with more resistance from Gov. I wonder, did they ever perform a DNA test on the baby, to verify paternity? SHAME ON THEM. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? What did the ME report as to the age of the baby? Dame Patricia said she was "deeply saddened" to hear of her former co-star's death. A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. Yaser Abdel Said, 63, was arrested Wednesday by agents in the small town of Justin, about 36 miles northwest of Dallas, officials said. One on one? In one entry, she writes that she has plans for people who have messed with her, and that "people will be surprised of what she is capable of," Caledonia County State's Attorney Lisa Warren said. Bob Kopta said that his wife had mental health issues and had spoken of going to the warm climate of the island. Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. Youre absolutely right!! Cold case: Rape kits from two women lead to arrest in 1979 South The evidence is overwhelming of her guilt. This woman was obsessed and jealous. Interesting thought about the alibi timing. Judge Richard T. Fields will be presiding over the case and Public Defender Ruby Ramirez will be representing Patricia for the Riverside County Public Defenders Office. They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. Disagree with And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded.. We should be skeptical of those, like you, who suggest its obvious a jury got it wrong that you know better than 12 people presented with the evidence. If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. Phone records dont lie.) Im sorry Sally, I know you want someone to blame for the death of your daughter and grandson, but the person who actually killed her is serving a life sentence in another facility in Pennsylvania. We didnt expect it. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. I agree. Patricia seemed like the girl next door but all of a sudden, something snapped, Katrinak later told Wrong Man investigators. Joanns first husband, New Jersey construction worker Michael Jack, who had reportedly abused her during their marriage, also had a solid alibi. Browns downtown Los Angeles office demanding that he grant Patricia Wright clemency. It has very bad energy. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. It would appear you are reading all sorts of interpretations into my comments especially that I have a fragile ego, dented by others whove responded to me! BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. Jenkins at one time had hired Allen Prue to plow her driveway. OK my GUESS is Patricia did do it! Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. Deal refused. The Egyptian-born taxicab driver was sought on capital murder charges since the New Years Day 2008 shootings of his two daughters, Sarah Yaser Said, 17, and Amina Yaser Said, 18, which have been described as honor killings.. guilty If her husband was going to do that Im sure he wouldve done it in a totally different way! You should be ashamed of yourself. Help, the younger sister could be heard crying on a 911 recording. But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? Youll have to make do with what you see here. Ls HUe7C22R>_%m~e5?h Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. It is not necessary to the case against her that she owned the killing gun (and it would be foolish to have used it). I come home one night, and shes just gone, and nobody knows where shes at, Bob Kopta, husband of Patricia Kopta, said at a press conference reported by Pittsburgh-based NBC affiliate WPXI. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! I thought the justice system in my state and the people were narrow-minded and corrupt. Even after 12 years of frustration and dead-ends, the pursuit for their killer never ceased, Spivey said in a statement. It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. Remember, killers have the advantage over investigators. Stop. Patricia Kopta, Pittsburgh street preacher missing since 1992, found alive in Puerto Rico A woman who was missing for more than 30 years has been found alive and at Shes being well taken care of.. At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. She won't see them graduate from college. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. So, lets take your response one step at a time. I made the confession on tape that I had rehearsed with the LAPD, said Larry Wright. The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. Pal stays true. Family members found Joanns tan Toyota sitting vacant in the parking lot of McCartys, a nearby bar. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. His nephew, Islam, the brother to Amina and Sarah and son to Yaser, pleaded guilty to the same charges in June 2021 and received 10 years. I wanted to get out of there.. There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. As I stated previously, if she cannot speak for herself, Im happy to step up on her behalf. Irving Police Chief Jeff Spivey hailed authorities for pursuing justice in the case for more than a decade. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. She was falsely convicted of killing her husband when the Los Angeles Police Department reopened a 17-year-old cold case after coercing two witnesses to tape a confession pegging Patricia Wright and family friend Lawrence Slaughter as the killers.
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